Infuriating, But Not Surprising

Guess who’s not in favor of Saddam getting what he so richly deserves?

Germany and France, two of the most vocal anti-war opponents, strongly stated their opposition — without exception — to the death penalty and called on Iraqi authorities to ensure Saddam a fair trial.

How would you react to that little tidbit if you were an Iraqi? What would you say to a couple of governments who’d (a) armed and supported Saddam for decades, and (b) made every effort to prevent him from losing his grip on your country, your family, and your hide–and then presumed to tell you how you ought to deal with him?

Unless you were one of Saddam’s former henchmen, I imagine you’d go find the nearest Frenchman or German, and start quoting Dick Cheney. Repeatedly.

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24 Responses to “Infuriating, But Not Surprising”

  1. Tim Worstall Says:

    It is, whatever one may think of it, part of European culture. Note I do not say Union, as in EU. It is Council of Europe, I think. The death penalty is verboten. One cannot be extradited to a jurisdiction where the death penalty might be applied to you for the crime you re being extradited for. A nation that has the death penalty cannot be a member of either the EU or the Council of Europe.
    I realise that many disagree with this idea. I have to say that I am in favour, despite my blackmailing your co-blogger earlier today. Ask him for details.
    Saddam? there are not tortures on this earth sufficient for what he has done. Yet there are some forms of punishment that do more to those performing them than to those who suffer them.
    Ok, OK, euro whinie crap.
    Still believe it though.

  2. Gadfly Says:

    I for one hope that Saddam gets a fair trial, whether or not he is put to death.

    I want his lawyers to lay out for all the world how the United States (meaning the Reagan administration, through their envoy Donad Rumsfeld) provided him with the means to produce chemical weapons and winked when he used them on his people–just so long as he went after Khomeini, AKA “you ol’ meany.”

    He’s an evil bastard who deserves to die, but I hope his attorneys have the opportunity to lay out that evidence for all the world to see. The complicity of the Reagan administration does not in any way excuse his actions (Lord knows) but it’s an interesting tidbit worth noting.

  3. Mr. Happy Says:

    “How would you react to that little tidbit if you were an Iraqi? What would you say to a couple of governments who’d (a) armed and supported Saddam for decades, and (b) made every effort to prevent him from losing his grip on your country, your family, and your hide–and then presumed to tell you how you ought to deal with him?”

    You mean, like the United States until 1991?

  4. Nick Says:

    Maybe its time for Chirac to take his own advice and mind his own business regarding countries that are out of his pervue. If he can say that Bush should keep out of the affairs of Turkey and the EU, what right does Chirac have to say anything regarding the trial of an Iraqi citizen by an Iraqi court?

  5. denise Says:

    Excellent point, Nick.

  6. Mike Says:

    Ahh, Gadfly, IIRC it was a German corporation that provided Saddam with the basic stuff to build chemical weapons.

    Kind of fitting in a horrible sort of way…

  7. Will Collier Says:

    I normally don’t bother responding to trolls, but the myth of massive American backing of Saddam carrys about as much weight as your average bulimic runway model. The link below goes to a report compiled by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (a well-known arm of the vast right-wing-zionist empire) detailing Saddam’s arms imports from 1973-2002. France was Saddam’s #2 armorer, supplying 13% of his weaponry (the Soviets were #1 with 57%):

    http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/Trnd_Ind_IRQ_Imps_73-02.pdf

    That doesn’t include the nuclear plant (fortunately destroyed by Israel) built by France and financed by none other than Jaques Chriac in the early 1980’s.

    The US (#11, behind Denmark but ahead of Canada) is one of 17 other nations which were responsible for one percent or less of Saddam’s weaponry.

    The new link in the original post detalis French, German, and Russian economic ties to Saddam.

  8. J_Crater Says:

    He’ll get a fair trail, then they will kill him.

    Perhaps they need to show some footage of each of the mass graves to the folks in Germany and France.

  9. Misha I Says:

    If I wasn’t already in favor of capital punishment (and especially where mass-murdering psychopaths are concerned), the fact alone that the EUroweenies are opposed would be enough for me to support it.

    They never were worth listening to, they aren’t worth listening to and they never WILL be worth listening to.

    Can’t they just die quietly like good little socialist peasants?

  10. David [.net] Says:

    The US (#11, behind Denmark but ahead of Canada)

    On the same very useful SIPRI page, this shows what items were provided.

    http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPRTS_73-02.pdf

  11. James Says:

    I can think of a few other senators that could stand to follow Cheney’s advice to Leahy.

    For starters — how about those moron’s that construe “advise and consent” as somehow including refusing to do exactly that.

  12. Gary B Says:

    The picture of Saddam in court says it all. He’s tanned, rested and ready for the firing squad.

  13. tibor Says:

    If I were Chirac, I would push for Saddam’s death since Saddam undoubtedly knows a ton about Chirac’s duplicity and the extent to which his considerable schnozz was in the Oil-For-Food trough.

  14. The Moderate Voice Says:

    WATCH THIS FACE? What’s Really At Stake In The Sadaam Trial

    Picture: Agence France-Presse Hard-times are etched into Sadaam Hussein’s face. Hard, craggly facial lines. Deep bags under piercing eyes, from sleepless nights and stress. No way does this look like the same swaggering, uniformed Sadaam seen in video…

  15. D Says:

    I just have one question for the Germans and the French on their immense concern for Saddam’s phyiscal viability:

    You guys gonna spit or swallow?

  16. adaplant Says:

    For what it’s worth, Britain also opposes the death penalty.

  17. Ham Says:

    The Iraqi people can take their wrath out on the europeans, after they execute Saddam.
    The europeans have been cheering for the terrorists all year. Time for them to get some payback.

  18. pennywit Says:

    I oppose the death penalty. Europe opposes the death penalty. Unfortunately for Saddam, it doesn’t seem that Iraq shares that belief.

  19. Gordon Says:

    I am looking for a quote from an Iraqi that more or less says, “thanks a pantload Chirac!”

  20. tim Says:

    The Euros certianly know a lot about killing people. Ask the tens of millions killed in the last century alone. Somehow I don’t think whacking one of the psycopaths is such a problem. The Euros STILL HAVEN’T dealt with the mass murderer Milosevic!

  21. The Old European Says:

    The Red Cross reports on more than 100 Iraqui children being kept incarcerated by US troops. You sure know a lot about winning ‘hearts and minds’.

  22. kelly Says:

    Leave it to TOE to believe anything from the Red Cross.

    I guess that, even if I believed anything from the IRC, 100 Iraqi children allegedly incarcerated by US troops is somehow worse than the hundreds of thousands mass murdered by the Ol’ Sod.

    Question, TOE. Where was the IRC’s concern about the Iraqis prior to Mar., ’03? Huh? Where was any European concern for Iraqis? Oh, that’s right there wasn’t any.

  23. Let the voice be heard Says:

    Um, hold on a second.

    If memory serves…

  24. Let the voice be heard Says:

    Um, hold on a second.

    If memory serves…

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