Testy Dems Update

From (amazingly) ABC News. Comments imbedded:

Teresa Heinz Kerry urged her home-state delegates to the Democratic National Convention to restore a more civil tone to American politics, then minutes later told a newspaperman to “shove it.”

Okay, confession time, at first glance, my response was, “Gee, I can’t really blame her for that.”

“We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics,” the wife of Sen. John Kerry told her fellow Pennsylvanians on Sunday night at a Massachusetts Statehouse reception.

Mrs. Heinz-Ketchup is following the game plan of the DNC, blasting anybody who dares criticize their candidate in very harsh terms–but then blaming everyone but themselves for the “negative” tone of the campaign.

Minutes later, Colin McNickle, the editorial page editor of the conservative Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, questioned her on what she meant by the term “un-American,” according to a tape of the encounter recorded by Pittsburgh television station WTAE.

An entirely reasonable question. Pity it took the editor of a ‘conservative’ paper to ask it of Theresa first. Guess Ron Fournier was busy.

Heinz Kerry said, “I didn’t say that” several times to McNickle. She then turned to confer with Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and others. When she faced McNickle again a short time later, he continued to question her, and she replied, “You said something I didn’t say. Now shove it.”

That’s not going to go over well.

Safe to assume we can expect a full-blown Begala-level hit job on Colin McNickle today to try and out-volume any criticism of Madame Heinz’s outburst. But with the presence of video showing Madame calling her husband’s political opponents “un-American,” I wonder if the spin will take.

Yeah, probably. After all, when’s the last time you hear the name “Sandy Berger” outside of Fox News or talk radio?

UPDATE: Well, that didn’t take long. Kevin Drum is already on McNickle’s case for working for (gasp!) a “Scaife-funded” newspaper that has criticized and investigated the Heinz Foundation money trails (Shocking! Just shocking!).

I’ll start taking Drum seriously on this one the minute he starts calling MoveOn.org a “Soros-funded” pack of barking moonbats.

But hey, it’s not important that a potential First Lady and current sugar mama of a presidential candidate called her husband’s political opponents “anti-American.” It’s much more important who asked her a question about that statment.

Just imagine the reaction if Laura Bush had said, “We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics.” That statement would be the one and only issue for the rest of the campaign.

UPDATE UPDATE: A reader points out that Theresa said “un-American,” not “anti-American.” That’s correct (my mistake above), but I don’t see much of a difference in epithets there. It’s a scurrilous charge either way.

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31 Responses to “Testy Dems Update”

  1. white pebble Says:

    Feisty Women in Politics

    I guess THK didn’t win the comportment prize in high school….

    Found via Vodkapundit – All the News That’s Fit to Drink:
    From (amazingly) ABC News. Comments imbedded:

    Teresa Heinz Kerry urged her home-state delegates to the Democratic Nationa…

  2. Chris Muir Says:

    Colin, hope you’re ready for The Forehead’s attacks…

  3. Angie Schultz Says:

    Thanks to a commenter over at Michelle Malkin’s, we now have a link to the video. She just didn’t “turn to confer” with the governor, and then turn around to find herself face to face with this reporter again. He was halfway across the flippin’ room, and she had to walk about twenty feet solely to tell him to shove it. (He may have been calling to her from across the room. It’s really hard to hear.)

    She wasn’t (obviously) talking about her husband’s opponents in her remarks, but just about civility in politics. Way to exemplify, Teresa!

    According to the news report in the video, her staff has clarified the incident as being the result of frustration with a right wing rag which has been so unfair to her family. (That was the gist of it; I can’t quote it directly now.)

  4. David [.net] Says:

    Asked about the exchange on CNN’s “American Morning,” Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (news – web sites) said Monday, “A lot of Americans are going to say, ‘Good for you, you go, girl,’ and that’s certainly how I feel about it.”

    AP story

  5. E. Nough Says:

    I believe “un-American” is becoming a new Left-wing buzzword.

    Perhaps it’s time for the Right to bring up charges of McCarthyism.

  6. Dean Says:

    So, if John Kerry uses the f*** word in a media interview, or if his wife tells a reporter to “Shove it,” everyone’ll say, “Huzzah!”

    But if Dick Cheney says “Go f*** yourself” to someone who’s accused him of making blood money, this is a scandal of the first proportion?

    No wonder the media’s not touching Joe Wilson. He lied to the media, and everyone’s gonna say “You go, guy!” Wait’ll Sandy Berger moons the press—it’ll be Kerry by acclamation come November!

  7. G.GIlbertson Says:

    I can’t wait for Dan Rather tonite. I can hear him now…

    Sunday night a carefully orchestrated leak…
    This time about Teresa Heinz Kerry…
    And once again the timing of it appears to be no coincidence.

  8. erg Says:

    In the old days, Andrew Jackson would have taken a horsewhip to this guy. And he would have deserved it, too. That is if, the reporter was lucky. Otherwise, old Hickory would have challenged him to a duel.

    Nickle has been making scurrilious accusations about the Heinz FOundation’s grants for quite a while now. Most of them have been lies (as the Heinz Foundations’ rebuttals point out). ANd this hasn’t been investigation, its been only in the editorial pages.

  9. Dean Says:

    The issue isn’t whether Sandy Berger stole classified documents from the National Archives, the issue is who leaked the investigation.

    The issue isn’t whether Teresa Heinz-Kerry called certain folks un-American, much less what she meant. It’s WHO asked the question.

    Eventually, the issue won’t be who attacked us on 9-11 and what we should do about it. It’ll be about why they hate us, and what we can do to appease them.

    Oh, and erg? In the old days, Andrew Jackson also would have exterminated the opposition, Federal courts be damned (remember the “Trail of Tears”?). I’m sure that if we laid waste to the Middle East after 9-11, you’d have been applauding, right? Or is that only for Democrats?

  10. jen Says:

    ‘But hey, it’s not important that a potential First Lady and current sugar mama of a presidential candidate called her husband’s political opponents “anti-American.” It’s much more important who asked her a question about that statment.’

    Its not important to you to tell the truth eithera, apparently. Firstly, she doesn’t even use the term anti-American, she uses the term unAmerican. Look at it, carefully. There’s a great difference between the two. Also, I did not see it as a swipe at the Bush administration either, so much as a warning to real left-wing loonies not to go unAmerican in the election when criticizing Bush. [ There’s not enough context to tell.

    Of course, MoveOn.org has left wing moonbats. And The Tribune REview’s editorial page is right wing wingnuts. [ Ditto for the WSJ’s editorial page]. I wouldn;t expect Republcians to treat Moore or Moveon with great courtesy either. So its not Drum’s who’se being hypocritical, its you.

  11. erg Says:

    ‘The issue isn’t whether Sandy Berger stole classified documents from the National Archives, the issue is who leaked the investigation. ‘

    Not to me. I don’t care who leaked it.

    ‘The issue isn’t whether Teresa Heinz-Kerry called certain folks un-American, much less what she meant. It’s WHO asked the question. ‘

    We know who did. Its a right wing scumbag, who has been attacking the Heinz foundation for perfectly legit grants. It seems clear that the Tribune Review (and you) don’t care about attacking a fine charitable organization because of your obsessive hate for Kerry (and his wife). I will note here, that other than the lunatic fringe, no Demo attacks Laura Bush.

    ‘Eventually, the issue won’t be who attacked us on 9-11 and what we should do about it.’

    Well, we knwo what the Prez. did about it. Attack a third country that had nothing to do with it. You’re right for once — for wingnuts, the issue isn’t who attacked us on 9/11.

    It’ll be about why they hate us, and what we can do to appease them.

    ‘Oh, and erg? In the old days, Andrew Jackson also would have exterminated the opposition, Federal courts be damned (remember the “Trail of Tears”?). I’m sure that if we laid waste to the Middle East after 9-11, you’d have been applauding, right? ‘

    I would certainly have been applauding if he had laid waste to Bin laden. No Problem there. And unlike Prezident Chimp, Jackson was actually a war hero.

  12. erg Says:

    ‘The issue isn’t whether Sandy Berger stole classified documents from the National Archives, the issue is who leaked the investigation. ‘

    Not to me. I don’t care who leaked it. Grill Berger till he’s well-done, I say. No special cases.

    ‘The issue isn’t whether Teresa Heinz-Kerry called certain folks un-American, much less what she meant. It’s WHO asked the question. ‘

    We know who did. Its a right wing scumbag, who has been attacking the Heinz foundation for perfectly legit grants. It seems clear that the Tribune Review (and you) don’t care about attacking a fine charitable organization because of your obsessive hate for Kerry (and his wife). I will note here, that other than the lunatic fringe, no Demo attacks Laura Bush.

    Her original statement struck me was pretty general, and might even have been directed at the delegates not to overdo it. And she referred to traits, not to anti-American people. Given that we don’t know the full interchange that went on between her and the reporter, I’m not sure how the non-clairvoyant can make a judgement on what he asked her anyway and whether it was sensible.

    “Eventually, the issue won’t be who attacked us on 9-11 and what we should do about it.”

    Well, we knwo what the Prez. did about it. Attack a third country that had nothing to do with it, although the ruler of that country was a sleazebag. You’re right for once — for wingnuts, the issue isn’t who attacked us on 9/11.

    ‘Oh, and erg? In the old days, Andrew Jackson also would have exterminated the opposition, Federal courts be damned (remember the “Trail of Tears”?). I’m sure that if we laid waste to the Middle East after 9-11, you’d have been applauding, right? ‘

    I would certainly have been applauding if he had laid waste to Bin laden. No Problem there. And unlike Prezident Chimp, Jackson was actually a war hero.

    Jackson would win battles after the war was over, our ChickenHawk in Chief would declare the war over before the battles.

  13. The Shape of Days Says:

    Watch as she demonstrates her point

    Okay, so everybody’s talking about how The-RAY-suh Ketchupbottle-Copperpot stuck her foot in it last night. My initial take on it was that I wouldn’t have anything useful to add, but then I watched the video. (It’s in Real Player format,

  14. slimedog Says:

    Slightly OT, but what’s the opposite of “chickenhawk?” Is it “chickendove,” or just “chicken?”

  15. erg Says:

    A chicken hawk is someone who demonstrated great skill in avoiding a conflict while being greatly willing to send troops into conflict.

    The opposite would then be someone who displayed great eagerness to join a conflict, but is unwilling to send troops into combat.

    HawkChicken may be right, but maybe hawkdove is better.

  16. Jon Juzlak Says:

    Un-American is not the same as anti-American in my book. The first is something that is generally outside of American customs and traditions, the second is actively hostile to American customs and traditions.

  17. Phillipe Says:

    erg,

    I am sad. You call the President a chimp, and it seems mean to both the President and chimps who are both nice. You seem so angry! I know – you need HUGS!

  18. jen Says:

    Here is the Heinz foundation’s response

    http://www.heinz.org/files/HEresponsetoTR-12-21-03.pdf

    And here is the Tides Center’s Web page

    http://www.tidescenter.org/index_tc.cfm

    It seems clear that the Tides Center merely provides administrative support to charities. Nothing else.

  19. erg Says:

    Philippe,

    I agree that chimps and the President are both nice, so I hereby retract the Chimp term. WOuld “Chump” be better ? Incidentally, Kerry reminds me of Herman Munster.

  20. syn Says:

    Mission accomplished does not mean the war is over. It simply means that the mission to remove Saddam, for having violated 17 UN resolutions, is accomplished.

    The war against Fascist Islamic Terrorism continues.

    That said, I am proud my country took action to liberate 50 million oppressed people from ruthless regimes while protecting ourselves from viable threats. My heart goes out to those who aren’t.

  21. Dean Says:

    Perhaps if he had said, “This is not the end, nor is this the beginning of the end, but, perhaps, this is the end of the beginning.”

    Of course, when those words were uttered, barely one German corps had been captured, the chief general escaped, and it was after three years of fighting and multiple devastating defeats.

  22. ThomasD Says:

    Wasn’t it Mcarthy’s committee on “Un-American Activities?” Wasn’t the point of that name to draw a distinction between the activities of foreigners (anti-American) and citizens (presumably un-American?)

    So just which epithet is worse? My money is on un-American.

    Because it is McCarthyite.

    Somehow I don’t think ABCMSNBCCBSCNN will make the association.

  23. Dean Says:

    ThomasD:

    Sure they will.

    “A reporter w/ a Pittsburgh paper today accused Mrs. Heinz-Kerry of being ‘unAmerican.’ Mrs. Heinz-Kerry told the reporter to ‘Shove off.'”

  24. Jim R Says:

    I admire Teresa for sticking up for herself, even if she where wrong about not saying “un-American”. I think it was an honest mistake. It wouldn’t be the first time she has spoken her mind, political correctness be damned.

    Of course the Dems like PC and will try to give her a political lobotomy so she can act more like them and her husband, helping to lose the election for them, YEAH!

    I think she wears the balls in the family.

  25. hen Says:

    Uh Jim, she wasn’t “sticking up” for herself – she just said something, was asked about it, denied saying it, conferred with some Dem operatives, then instead of saying “hey i’m sorry, i’m getting old and by saying unAmerican i meant….” she told a reporter, a working stiff doing his job, to shove it.

    She’s a skank and i can assure you, speaking as a Philadelphian, disliked intensely.

    “Shove it” now, “let them eat cake” then.

  26. The Moderate Voice Says:

    Question 4 U: Is The Political Class Suffering From Memory Loss? (OR Fun with John, Dick and Teresa)

    I’m extremely confused so perhaps someone who belongs to a political party can explain something to a wishy-washy swing voter like me. (1)John Kerry some months ago used a swear word when talking to Rolling Stone magazine. He also reportedly

  27. Jim R Says:

    Skank! So this is how the Revolutionary War was won. A gritty New England destroy-the-enemy attitude.

    Hen, you sound just like her. Way to go!

  28. A fine scotch Says:

    This thread is ridiculous.

    Ms. Heinz Kerry was just giving a speech regarding civility in politics. Then when questioned on her speech by someone who disagrees with her politics, she proceeds to ignore the main point of the speech SHE JUST GAVE!

    This is simple hypocrisy. Nothing more, nothing less.

    And the Democrats don’t seem to care. (See “You go, girl” Clinton and “My wife speaks appropriately” Kerry).

    This is not something that is the exclusive province of the Democrats, however, and really just needs to be dropped. It’s a non-story.

  29. Jim R Says:

    Scotch,
    You’re absolutely right here. I lost the context in which Teresa make her comment, when complimenting her outspoken style above.

    Since her remark was apparently right after encouraging civility in political discourse, then it is blatant hypocrisy.

  30. John "Akatsukami" Braue Says:

    Somehow I don’t think ABCMSNBCCBSCNN will make the association.

    Sure they will.

    Given that the progressives’ attempt at entering into talk radio was called “Air America”, I seriously doubt it.

  31. andrew jackson Says:

    The Battle of New Orlean,s was fought -during not after the war of 1812! Yes The treaty was signed, —but NOT ratified –it never would have been ratified knowing our British cousins where atting us . The whole purpose of the war of 1812 was to teach respect,which battle taught more ,than the Battle of New Orlean,s! ??? Correct History

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