What He Said

Jonah Goldberg on Ann Coulter:

My “reluctance” to discuss Ann has very little to do with any double standard and more to do with a more general unwillingness to talk about her routine at all. But, even though I think Media Matters is something of a joke, that doesn’t mean the point isn’t valid. I don’t think Ann does anybody but herself any good when she jokes about killing presidents, Supreme Court justices or uses terms like raghead. I don’t think she should do it and I don’t think conservatives should applaud it. I’m all for shattering the stereotype that conservatives can’t tell a joke, but that doesn’t mean any joke is worth making just because it gets a laugh (indeed, some jokes shouldn’t be made for fear that they will generate a laugh). Regardless, if anyone thinks Ann is going to stop her act simply because she gets heat from the likes of me, they’re crazy.

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32 Responses to “What He Said”

  1. Chuck Pelto Says:

    TO: Will Collier
    RE: Ann’s Schtick

    “I don’t think Ann does anybody but herself any good when she jokes about killing presidents, Supreme Court justices or uses terms like raghead. I don’t think she should do it and I don’t think conservatives should applaud it. I’m all for shattering the stereotype that conservatives can’t tell a joke, but that doesn’t mean any joke is worth making just because it gets a laugh (indeed, some jokes shouldn’t be made for fear that they will generate a laugh). Regardless, if anyone thinks Ann is going to stop her act simply because she gets heat from the likes of me, they’re crazy.” — Jonah Goldberg

    I don’t care, that much, if someone calls someone else a name. I’ve been called names almost all my life. I’ve developed a ‘skin’ and I’m of the opinion that anyone who goes ballistic about being called a ‘name’ should get a skin of their own.

    As for calling on the poisoning of a Supreme Court justice, e.g., Stevens, I’d like to hear more evidence on that one. I don’t trust CNN to be honest in reporting any more than I trust Dan Rather; which is to say, “I don’t”.

    Perhaps Ann is doing this schtick in order to give the so-called ‘liberals’ a bit of their own back. It would not surprise me. Hence, I don’t take it all that seriously.

    As for the idea that Ann should listen to the likes of Goldberg….it is to laugh. I don’t listen to him either….

    Regards,

    Chuck(le)

  2. LNS Says:

    Well, I for one applaud Will for posting these words and Mr. Goldberg for writing them. Conservatives and liberals need to call out their own when they’re out of line with the same rigor with which they call out the other side, and here’s an example of conservatives doing just that.

    It’s all well and good to have a thick skin. It’s also beside the point. It’s a bit difficult to criticize liberals for remaining silent when people like Harry Belafonte mouth off nonsense if you’re remaining silent regarding the likes of Coulter (and vice versa).

    Way to go, Will.

  3. Chuck Pelto Says:

    TO: Will Collier and LNS et al
    RE: Interesting Coincidence

    Did anyone catch this interesting article up on Tech Central Station Daily today?

    http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=021006F

    I think it’s rather germaine to what we’re talking about here, as well as the original venue the article was meant to address.

    Regards,

    Chuck(le)

  4. Chuck Pelto Says:

    P.S. It’ll be interesting to see how Ann reacts to being effectively lampooned herself. It might be very telling. Especially if she can laugh along with the rest of them.

    [If you can’t laugh at yourself, there’s something wrong with you.[

  5. Bruce Says:

    I have to agree. After being called all sorts of names by Muslims for millenia like Infidel, and having 3000 people slaughtered in one go by fanatical muslims, I don’t theink the proper response is to call them names.

    We should nuke them back to the stone age. Which wouldn’t actually send them back too far from where they are.

    Name calling would be too wussy.

  6. Chuck Pelto Says:

    TO: All
    RE: A Slice of Life

    Here’s a segment from the article I recommended above….

    It is dangerous folly to believe that the state can bring about a genuine spirit of equalitarianism by forcing an equalization of material wealth or, more often, material poverty. The only surefire guarantee of liberty, fraternity, and equality in any society is to raise citizens who are unafraid to poke fun at their leaders, and who will only accept as their leaders men who know how to take a joke.

    I think this is an essential element of leadership. It is the proof that the Muslims lack what it takes to lead. And it is the test of Ann. Let’s see how she does, as opposed to the (il)liberals.

    Regards,

    Chuck(le)

  7. LNS Says:

    Another link:

    http://blogs.wizbangblog.com/2006/02/dont_be_on_my_side_please.php

  8. Chuck Pelto Says:

    TO: LNS
    RE: Well…

    …if you’ve read Sean Hackbarth, you’re already aware of my opinion of this tempest-au-teapot.

    However, the link I provided is much more effective than anything I’ve written.

    Regards,

    Chuck(le)

  9. Ardsgaine Says:

    I agree with Bruce. Using racial slurs is a cheap way to sound tough. If she had called for nuking Teheran, I’d be right there with her. Calling people “raghead”, though, is just stupid. Is she advocating a war of self-defense, or does she just want to kill all the brown foreign people? Her choice of words makes that a legitimate question.

  10. John Says:

    I’ve never understood the Republican fascination with Ann. She’s certainly not original or smart and not particularly funny. Being a true conservative with a pretty broad sense of humor, I’ve always thought she – and others of her ilk – do more damage than good for “conservatism.” My guess is if she wasn’t female, relatively pretty (to some) and blond, her career would be taking a much different path.

    Perhaps the most frustrating thing is that “liberal” bomb throwers like Al Franken ARE funny and do manage to make their points using humor.

  11. Peter Jackson Says:

    Ann Coulter: the new Andrew “Dice” Clay.

    Hooray.

  12. Sandy P Says:

    –It is dangerous folly to believe that the state can bring about a genuine spirit of equalitarianism by forcing an equalization of material wealth or, more often, material poverty.–

    Boy, could I have used that today.

    Went to a church cos they were holding a discussion on inequality.

    The commies are back.

    BIG TIME.

    Read Roger L. Simon. Kofi’s trying to grab the internet again and crown himself king.

  13. Imperator Says:

    My guess is if she wasn’t female, relatively pretty (to some) and blond, her career would be taking a much different path.

    She’s attractive enough but it wouldn’t kill her to put on about 20 lbs.

    Ann is the Al Franken of the right wing and while Ann’s humor is more sarcastic, Franken stopped being funny 20 years ago.

  14. lheine Says:

    Jonah Goldberg’s “reluctance” to talk about Ann Coulter may also have something to do with the fact that he’s simply a more gracious person than she is.

    Didn’t she generate some of the pathetic publicity for which she continually begs, some time ago, for having called Jonah “a girly-man?” Many of her devoted minions thought this quite funny. Had he responded by calling her the frothy little, lightweight cupcake that she is, people would have taken a significantly dimmer view of him.

    Ann Coulter will say absolutely anything, no matter how over-the-top or just plain stupid, if she thinks it will get her the attention she can’t seem to live without. The fact that so many in the public have made her filthy rich for doing so only goes to show that P.T. Barnum was right. There really is “a sucker born every minute.”

  15. Mark Says:

    For such an educated and intelligent person, Ann has no class, no tact, no concern for anyone’s feelings. She will throw whatever verbal bomb she wishes to throw without taking aim, and then cares nothing for the damage she causes.

  16. CharlieDontSurf Says:

    While Ann’s delivery may be too caustic for some, I have yet to find fault with her logic or conclusions. Moreover, I have yet to witness a liberal best her in debate. The difference between Ann and a Franken or Belafonte is profound…Ann is simply not an ill informed buffoon. She is the best example of how the truth hurts, and how the left can dish it out…but can’t take it.

  17. plainslow Says:

    As smart as she is, I’m amazed she dose’nt realize she is fast becoming Conservatives Teddy Kennedy. I like her, but her talk lately is changing my mind.

  18. VinceTN Says:

    Ann is more like Chris Rock than that pointless anachronism Al Franken. She’s a total bitch and one day it will get old and she will go away. Until then, I’ll listen to her because as Charlie says, she make good clear conclusions and when you can overcome your sssssensitivity over her “brutal” language, she’s generally right.

    Why she is popular now is the Left’s own fault. Leftist allowance for any kind of hateful statemens not only from their comics but even their elected officials make someone with Ann’s courage an incredible breath of fresh air.

    What is Ann saying about Liberals that elected Dems aren’t saying about our own armed forces and fellow citizens?

    What does an Arab have to endure that an American from the South hasn’t had to endure for decades at the hands of “nuanced intellectuals” on the Left?

    No use bitching about Ann, Liberals. You created the conditions that make her so powerful (and necessary) today.

  19. American Mother Says:

    Oh, sticks and stones. The Wimpy Right needs someone to say the things they won’t because “it isn’t nice”. The Left wallows in lies, ugliness and deceits, but when one little blonde mentions textiles, everyone gets all in-a-dither. Ha!

    Ann Coulter is not stupid, she just calls a spade a spade…and like Teddy? Now, that’s funny!

  20. jon Says:

    “The difference between Ann and a Franken or Belafonte is profound”

    Charliedont:

    I think that simply by comparing Ms. Attention-Deficit with a former comic and an attention-seeking activist more famous for singing about bananas, you don’t really promote her career or her political views. I wouldn’t put any liberal columnists in a comparison with Ted Nugent and Mel Gibson, since even if the columnist looks better, the comparison itself belittles him.

    But if you want to compare her to someone in her league, Bill O’Reilly is always available.

  21. Aladdin Says:

    Thanks, Will. I’ve included a link to this in my latest post.

  22. Robert Speirs Says:

    I like Ann Coulter. I think she has exactly the right amount of concern for the feelings of leftist fuzzy thinkers and multiculturalists. She’s the Nietzsche of the New Right. This is war. We need warriors.

  23. The World According to Nick Says:

    And I Thought I Was The Only One

    To be honest, I thought I was the only “conservative” (and I only use that term because so many people seem to think I’m one) who didn’t like Ann Coulter. I finished her book Slander a while ago, and have a bookmark in the middle of How to Talk to a …

  24. Chuck Pelto Says:

    TO: jon
    RE: Besides…

    “I wouldn’t put any liberal columnists in a comparison with Ted Nugent and Mel Gibson, since even if the columnist looks better, the comparison itself belittles him.” — jon

    …the columnist probably wouldn’t ‘get it’. It would be a waste of time.

    Regards,

    Chuck(le)

  25. CharlieDontSurf Says:

    My comment on comparing Coulter and Franken or Belafonte was in response to prior postings making that comparison…as I stated, there is no comparison.

  26. lheine Says:

    The vapid dismissal of anybody who dislikes Ann Coulter as “a liberal” is absurd. There are also a great many principled conservatives — that is, REAL conservatives — who find her antics objectionable.

    The Coulter-lovers who mindlessly lob the “liberal” label at everybody who criticizes their darling are merely reinforcing the old stereotype that conservatives are cave-dwellers with no couth, no class and no clue. It’s sheer hypocrisy to vent spleen at liberals for thinking such things about you when you’re doing all you can to prove them right.

    The regrettably-few people in this country who remain sane are stuck between two rival playpens, each crammed full of overgrown infants screaming obscenities at the other. “You’re childish!” shouts one side, to which the other bellows, “No, YOU are!” “Well, I’m rubber and you’re glue,” etc., ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    Personal integrity involves being who you know you ought to be, regardless of how badly others may behave. Those who try to excuse the bad behavior of those with whom they agree politically — then point to their adversaries and cry, “Look, they’re doing it, too” have pissed away any real integrity they ever had.

  27. VinceTN Says:

    Well, that was just withering, heine. It still doesn’t address the fact that Ann is a private citizen and is saying nothing that a duly elected Dem Senator hasn’t said about our own soldiers. You keep dragging individuals with no political power and comparing them to the Durbins and Gores of the Dem Party and we’ll keep on leaving your side impotent and powerless on the sidelines. Deal?

  28. Ardsgaine Says:

    Here’s a real funny joke:

    Q: What does Ann Coulter call an Arab who believes in religious freedom, individual rights and the rule of law?

    A: A raghead.

    Isn’t that hilarious?

    I took her book off my shelf and threw it in the garbage. Treason, indeed.

  29. Chuck Pelto Says:

    TO: Ardsgaine
    RE: Where! Where!

    “What does Ann Coulter call an Arab who believes in religious freedom, individual rights and the rule of law?” — Ardsgaine

    I’ve heard of these mythical creatures, but have never seen on in the flesh.

    Do they keep them in a ‘special reserve’? A prison perhaps?

    Do I have to pay to see them?

    Regards,

    Chuck(le)

  30. jag Says:

    Coulter can write accurately and scathingly without the “raghead” comments. I’m sure she figures she has to be “out there” in order to capture attention but, in the long run, I don’t think it serves her (or conservatives).
    As a conservative, I’d imagine I’m her audience but I doubt many conservatives will appreciate (for much longer) the slimy, unnecessary and liberal-like stupid comments.
    I hope she listens to Jonah….but I doubt she will.

  31. Chuck Pelto Says:

    TO: jag
    RE: Take…

    …a look at what someone said in the next door up the hall that addresses Ann.

    I think this guy nailed it when he suggests that she’s playing ‘good cop/bad cop’.

    And I think the team-work aspect is pretty close. It has the ‘ring of truth’. It would explain why the Republican pols are not abusing her over her statements.

    I blame Karl Rove….’evil genius’.

    Regards,

    Chuck(le)
    P.S. Way to go KARL!

  32. lheine Says:

    Not that it matters to the average conservative (many of whom have shown that they care nothing about the truth), but I am a LIBERTARIAN. Look it up — it’s in the dictionary. I assume that if you can post blog comments, you can probably read.

    No, of course Cutiepie Coulter holds no political office. I don’t believe, however, that elected officials are the only human beings who stand accountable for their conduct.

    The standard cowardly answer to anyone who holds these people accountable for what they say or do is either (A) that they have a Constitutional right to say it (of course they do, and nobody suggested otherwise) or (B) that they — thank the Good Lord — do not hold elected office. This hardly means that they do not influence a large number of people, however. People who vote, and who put into power those who hold elective office.

    If you’re not willing to take accountability for the remarks that you utter, you belong back in nursery school. I can assure you that Ann Coulter — however obnoxious she may be — has the gumption to stand up and answer for herself. She’d be the last one to find all the fawning, cringing and mollycoddling necessary.

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